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Katie: Good day, and welcome to “The Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the top, my new line of hair care, toothpaste, and different private care merchandise. Test these out at wellnesse.com. This episode is all about reversing limiting beliefs, concepts like, I’m not adequate, I’m not sufficient. I’m not lovable. I’m right here with Marissa Peer, who’s the creator of the award-winning Speedy Transformational Remedy, which is a very fascinating and I discover a novel kind of remedy that works actually, actually shortly in lots of circumstances. She’s additionally the founding father of Iamenough.com. She has a number of best-selling books and he or she is a speaker and professional that speaks all world wide. And the explanation I wished to have her on as we speak is to actually go deep on a few of these therapies she does with individuals, each from the attitude of how we as adults can type of rewire and undo a few of these limiting beliefs that stem from childhood but in addition to raised perceive the core wants of youngsters, what number of of those issues stem from issues in childhood when youngsters don’t really feel protected or beloved or necessary for varied causes, and the way we as mother and father can assist to hopefully guard our youngsters in opposition to a few of these pitfalls. Definitely, none of us are gonna do it completely however she provides some actually sensible recommendation each in how we as adults can let go of a few of these limiting beliefs typically way more shortly than we predict and in addition how we will set our youngsters up with a robust basis going into maturity. So, a really fascinating episode. I realized so much. I took notes. You truly may hear me take a second to reply a few instances on this episode. And it’s as a result of I used to be writing down notes. And all of my notes and all the issues she talked about are within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. So we’ll positively begin there if you happen to wanna continue to learn from her. However with out additional ado, I can not wait to share her with you. So let’s soar in. Marisa, welcome. Thanks for being right here.
Marisa: Thanks for inviting me. I’m flattered and honored to be right here.
Katie: I’m so excited to share you with everybody listening as we speak as a result of I feel you will have a lot worth that you simply deliver, and particularly for all the ladies listening, simply so, so many phrases of knowledge. However to start out off, I’d love to listen to, for anybody who isn’t aware of you already, just a bit little bit of your story and the way you got here to be who you are actually and to do all this work that you simply’re doing.
Marisa: Effectively, my story is I all the time wished to be a toddler psychologist however I discovered that very painful, not as a lot painful, a job the place you couldn’t actually get the outcomes you wished. And I’ve all the time been fascinated my whole life by human habits. And so I left coaching in baby psychology and went to work in L.A. for Jane Fonda instructing aerobics. And that received me actually desirous about psychology of consuming problems, which led on to me fascinated by infertility. And so the whole lot I’ve accomplished has led on from one thing else. However I didn’t plan this profession, however I definitely discovered it and I’m very glad I did.
Katie: And I’ve learn fairly a little bit of your work and you’ve got a number of books out. I’ll ensure that we hyperlink to all of these. However I really like the work that you simply do, particularly surrounding limiting beliefs. And that’s been one thing that actually has been useful and resonated with me. So, for anybody who’s not acquainted, are you able to clarify to us in a excessive degree what limiting beliefs are?
Marisa: Sure, I imply, , all of us believed that our emotions are dominated by our behaviors, however it’s truly the opposite means round, our behaviors are dominated by our emotions. So, if you happen to’re trying on the regulation of management, our ideas management our emotions, our emotions management our actions and our actions management our occasions. So if you happen to peel that again, occasions, actions, emotions, all of it begins with pondering. And it’s very simple to alter your pondering. As an example, think about you’re a binge eater, and also you attempt to management that by going to the health club or placing your self in a very restrictive weight-reduction plan or taking urge for food suppressants, what you’re doing is coping with the habits however it’s the thought that runs it’s I’m not sufficient and I want extra. Certainly with any habit, if you happen to’re hooked on alcohol and also you deal with the alcoholism however not the underlying feeling, which is I’m simply not adequate.
And so, when you possibly can change your pondering, it actually can and does change your whole life. And that’s superb information for a lot of causes. One, after all, is that altering your pondering is free. It’s fairly simple. It doesn’t require arduous work. It’s not like altering your physique and having to do 600 sit-ups and the plank every single day. And when you begin to do it, it stops being what you do and really turns into who you’re. So it turns into a very highly effective instrument to start out residing the life you need with out it being effort, and arduous work, and disappointments. It doesn’t imply you don’t must work for what you need however it means it’s simpler if you go at that figuring out and believing that you simply’re worthy of it and deserving of it.
Katie: Yeah, I consider an instance from my very own life was that for lots of years, I had this script in my head that I used to be attempting to drop a few pounds, and if solely I misplaced weight then I might be blissful or then I might love myself. And what I ended up realizing in my very own journey was that I might select to alter that perception, and to like myself, and to decide on happiness in that second. After which it truly turned a lot simpler to do all the issues that led to weight reduction as a result of I wasn’t preventing myself anymore. However I feel typically for anybody struggling, you talked about some huge issues, , consuming problems or alcoholism, issues which are very severe points, there typically is that notion that it’s going to be very arduous or that it must be very, very tough or an uphill battle or a tough course of. And I really like that about your work since you actually have this message that these shifts, such as you mentioned, there’s nonetheless work concerned, however they don’t must be this actually, actually tough factor that we frequently make them out to be. However I’m curious what are a few of these widespread limiting beliefs that folks run into? I do know that you’ve got loads of work across the concept of I’m not sufficient and that appears to be an extremely widespread one.
Marisa: Yeah, it’s the commonest one. I might say that at the very least a 3rd, if not 50% of all my purchasers are available in with that perception, “I’m not sufficient. I’m not adequate. I’m not lovable sufficient. I’m not good sufficient. I’m not attention-grabbing sufficient. I’m unfit sufficient.” And that lies behind issues like hoarding, compulsive procuring, addictions, harmful consuming, even having wealth blocks and love blocks, , self-sabotaging your self all originate within the feeling of not being sufficient. The great factor is, it’s very, very simple to alter it as a result of it’s not true. No child is born pondering they’re not sufficient. We will decide that perception up very, very quick however we will additionally do away with it very quick.
Katie: So, stroll us by that a bit of bit. Like, what are a number of the ways in which individuals can start to…? I do know that you’ve got applications particularly for all of this and I’ll ensure that we hyperlink to these. However I really feel like after I first heard about this, I used to be a bit of bit in disbelief of, like, can it truly be that simple? Like, it looks as if it must be arduous.
Marisa: Yeah, that’s so attention-grabbing as a result of that’s such a false impression I come up in opposition to on a regular basis. Like, docs will say, “Effectively, this individual’s received anorexia. That’s a really advanced sickness, subsequently the therapy is advanced. This consumer has bipolar melancholy, that’s so advanced that the therapy have to be advanced.” I’ve met individuals who say, , bulimics want 40 periods to get higher. However I’ve by no means believed that. However I consider that the many people are presenting drawback, I’ve melancholy, I’ve anxiousness, I’ve panic assaults, I’ve an consuming dysfunction, they’re advanced. However the therapy doesn’t must be advanced if and when yow will discover what causes the issue and deal with that.
While you’re treating the issue itself, I’m attempting to deal with an consuming dysfunction, or a compulsion, or an habit, however all I’m treating is the habits, then that may take a very long time. But when I deal with the origin of the habits, if I’m going again to the not-enoughness and deal with that, it’s a unique sport. I imply, lately, , I can’t consider I’ve been denying myself love for years and years and years due to a thought. My ideas have allowed me to disclaim myself love. And I did all these items. I misplaced weight. I received a bit of little bit of tweaking right here and there. I had a makeover. I joined a courting company, I joined a courting app, and none of it labored. However after I determined I used to be lovable, I discovered somebody on the street simply strolling to the bus cease.
As a result of that’s the factor, it’s important to deal with the supply of the ache. A bit such as you going to the physician and saying, “I’ve complications.” And he may say, “Effectively, , your complications are induced as a result of your posture in your again is improper.” So now we all know that the supply of the ache isn’t the supply of the issue. And if you happen to mentioned, “Yeah, I do know that however I solely wanna take headache tablets. You may maintain telling me my backbone is improper and my hip’s improper however I insist on taking headache tablets for spinal issues,” we predict, “Effectively, that’s loopy.”
But it surely’s very a lot the identical factor. The supply of your points is often not-enoughness, I really feel insufficient, I don’t really feel adequate, and you have to deal with that. And if you deal with that, you repair all the opposite issues concurrently. And that’s why it’s simple since you’re treating the supply and the basis of an issue somewhat than the issue itself. And in treating the supply and the basis, you deal with all of the offshoots too.
Katie: And it looks as if a lot of this…You talked about…I really like that line that…I’ve learn that in your writing earlier than too that new child infants aren’t born with the concept that they’re not sufficient. So that is clearly a realized factor. Do you discover that each one or nearly all of these items return to a degree in childhood for most individuals?
Marisa: Nearly all people goes again to childhood. I imply, loads of scientific and medical research say that our character is about by the point we’re 5, some individuals say 7. I imply the Catholics say, “Give me a boy till he’s 5 and I’ll provide the man.” And I feel Roman mentioned till 7, some will say till 3. However we all know…, eminent baby psychologists know that our childhood shapes our maturity. And so, as an illustration, if you happen to had been to go to Romania and undertake a bit of 3-year-old baby and convey them again to Florida, and love them, and love them, and love them, that doesn’t imply they’ll get higher as a result of a lot harm is finished in our childhood.
And the most important drawback in our childhood is that after we’re little, we don’t have that many wants. I must really feel protected, that’s necessary. I must really feel beloved. I must really feel I matter so that you’ll maintain me. In order a bit of child, we solely have just a few wants. Protected, beloved, necessary, important. And when these wants will not be met, what occurs is we don’t blame the mother and father. We blame ourselves. The kid by no means stops loving mother and father, they cease loving themselves. Effectively, “My wants not getting met, I assume I’m unfit of it.” They usually’ll by no means get met. And now that baby turns into an grownup who nonetheless has this perception, “Nobody’s gonna meet my wants. I’m not lovable, I’m not adequate, I’m unfit sufficient.”
And that’s the horrible unhappiness as a result of each child is worthy of affection. No child says, “I received’t cry as a result of nobody’s coming. I received’t demand to be fed as a result of I’m grasping. I received’t anticipate my mother and father to play with me as a result of they’re exhausted.” A child has a perception, “I’m worthy of all of this.” And it’s unhappy that we predict we’ve misplaced it, however we haven’t misplaced it, we’ve simply forgotten we ever had it. And so you may get all of that again and really simply too.
Katie: Yeah, I’ve learn a quote just like that lately that fully stopped me in my tracks. And it mentioned, , “While you criticize your youngsters, they don’t cease loving you, they cease loving themselves.” And that actually made me assume so much. And, type of, to your level of all of these items, going again to childhood, and after I’ve learn your work, I’ve been capable of see a few of these patterns in my very own life. And I really feel like from right here, there’s type of a two-part query. Most of the adults listening most likely are recognizing a few of these limiting beliefs or that, type of, core feeling of not feeling lovable or not feeling sufficient.
But in addition, nearly all of the individuals listening are mother and father. And so I all the time assume after I hear issues like this, like, what can I do as a mother to assist my youngsters have one of the best basis and one of the best mindset going into maturity? Definitely, I feel all mothers, we do our greatest, and nonetheless, our youngsters are gonna most likely have issues they must work by. None of us are gonna do it completely. However what can we do to present them one of the best basis?
Marisa: Effectively, , all youngsters ever want…I want I’d recognized this after I was a dad or mum, I didn’t, I discovered it out later. However what youngsters want is so that you can be current with them. That’s all they need, you to be current with them. They don’t really need stuff. I imply, I’m not speaking about 15-year-old youngsters who need the newest Gameboy and the newest Nikes. However little youngsters need you to be current. And if you happen to ask youngsters what their blissful zone is…For me, my mother and father had a home within the South of France, we went each summer time. However my happiest reminiscence, with out query, was choosing berries with my grandmother, making selfmade jam, or going to, like, what we used to name a “jumble,” I don’t know what we name them in America, and shopping for a stack of magazines, and going to, I assume it’s equal of like a automobile boot sale.
So, youngsters’s reminiscences are all the time like taking part in puzzles, cooking collectively. It’s probably not about doing stuff that prices some huge cash. So being current with them is important in elevating their shallowness. As a dad or mum, your baby’s shallowness is a mark of how profitable you’re or not. And that may be very tough when youngsters go to highschool, and they’re judged on what grade they’re in, and what they appear to be. And it’s very, very tough as a dad or mum to get it proper however an important factor is to make your youngsters consider in themselves, to lift them with wholesome, excessive shallowness.
Katie: After which for the mother and father, I imply like I mentioned, I’ve acknowledged a few of these issues in myself, and these have been issues I’ve labored by in my very own life. And definitely, I feel loads of the issues that you simply work with individuals on are so well timed and related proper now. And these limiting beliefs can influence our grownup life in so many alternative methods. You will have one thing known as Speedy Transformational Remedy. Are you able to speak about that a bit of bit at a excessive degree?
After which I’d like to go a bit of bit particular on that as properly. As a result of to circle again once more, and simply actually highlighting that concept, I feel for years, I made the method more durable on myself than I wanted to as a result of I anticipated it to be arduous. I assumed it needed to be arduous for it to work. And as soon as I lastly realized that wasn’t the case, it was superb how quickly issues shifted. However stroll us by how you’re employed with individuals in remedy so individuals can, type of, perceive simply how drastically and shortly issues can shift.
Marisa: Yeah. Effectively, lots of people consider that…I imply, I’ve been advised by many different individuals, the phrases speedy and remedy shouldn’t go collectively, that remedy isn’t speedy, certainly, it’s lengthy and painful with out even any assure of a decision on the finish. However there’s no different therapy mannequin that claims, “Convey me your ache and we’ll focus on it.” No dentist says “Sure, you’ve received a really unhealthy cavity. Come alongside and we’ll have a dialog with you each week, and if you belief me sufficient, we’ll begin to do some work.” No heart specialist, no dermatologist says, “We have to focus on your coronary heart drawback or your pores and skin drawback each week and possibly after a while, you may really feel higher.”
Remedy is the one mannequin that claims, “Flip up along with your ache, and we’ll focus on it, and we’ll construct a relationship round our dialogue, after which after we construct a relationship collectively, we’d simply be capable to crack by your ache and provide help to or provide help to stay with it.” And that’s not a therapist’s fault however it’s such an odd mannequin to supply individuals as a result of if you happen to deliver your ache to anybody else, a chiropractor, a health care provider, a dentist, they have a tendency to repair the ache as quick as they presumably…And nobody says in ER, “I must develop a relationship with a surgeon earlier than they function on me.” That usually we by no means even meet them as a result of we’re anesthetized by then.
And so, I wished to create…I imply, I had the identical mannequin, which is deliver me your ache and let me repair it for you as quick as I presumably can. And if you happen to can take part within the fixing, even higher. So individuals come to me with each type of ache you possibly can think about, from bodily ache, from migraines, or irritable bowel, or polycystic ovary syndrome, or fibromyalgia. So we have now actual bodily pains. And almost 70% of illnesses now are recognized as psychosomatic, which implies the headache is completely actual, the nerve ache is actual, however what’s inflicting them isn’t damaged elements of your physique, however damaged elements of your pondering. And that’s very simple to repair.
After which we have now emotional issues, which don’t have the identical bodily pains, however they produce other points. I really feel depressed, I really feel unhappy, I’ve panic assaults. I’ve self-sabotaging habits. I’m self-destructive. I don’t have love. And really a lot the identical factor, whether or not you’re in emotional ache or bodily ache, you shouldn’t have to attend any time in any respect to get higher. It ought to begin to occur instantly. So RTT instantly begins to take a look at why. So, after we prepare individuals, we are saying, “Look, your first job is to be a detective. Put in your detective hat and discover out when did this occur? What was happening? Why did this consumer all of the sudden turn into morbidly overweight? Why did this consumer go from straight-A scholar to failing? Why did this consumer all of the sudden get panic assaults?”
So we’re gathering data like a detective, discovering out why. And many consumers say, “Effectively, , after I came upon why, it’s as a result of my dad left after I was a child. As a result of my mom cried all through the being pregnant. I had no concept that I blamed myself for that.” And the minute they discover out why, they really feel so a lot better. After which the second a part of the session is shifting from being a detective to nearly like a dentist and eradicating poisonous matter, poisonous beliefs, poisonous ideas, poisonous selections individuals have made, eliminating them and changing them with one thing higher. After which the third and last half is being a coder. And simply as a coder wires into a pc higher software program to make it perform higher, we wire into our purchasers a lot better software program to make them consider in themselves to reactivate the arrogance they had been born with however they forgot they ever had.
And likewise, it’s recorded, the one which’s terribly necessary is a consumer is given a recording that’s private, it’s not a generic leisure. It’s made within the session. It’s a recording made for them. The coding bit is recorded. The consumer takes that house. They play it for 20 days as a result of RTT relies on the foundations of the thoughts. And the foundations of the thoughts say the thoughts learns by repetition. The foundations of the thoughts say each thought you assume is the blueprint that your thoughts and physique work to make actual, that the strongest drive in you is that you simply act in a means that matches the best way you outline your self. And that emotion is far more highly effective than logic. So I’ve put all these guidelines of the thoughts collectively to kind a remedy based mostly round our personal thoughts guidelines that make our thoughts settle for new beliefs whereas letting go of previous ones fairly quickly, very quickly, truly.
Katie: So to comply with up on these three factors, which I really like that it’s that clear reduce, so, you mentioned the primary half is attempting to determine why or the place that comes from. And for instance, I do know for me, I went again to a number of instances in childhood the place I had made a mistake or dropped one thing and type of gotten yelled at by my mother and had internalized that I wasn’t adequate or that I used to be all the time making errors or no matter it was. And even simply with the ability to acknowledge that that’s the place it got here from and reframe it now understanding additionally a mother’s perspective and notice that possible had nothing to do with me, it was possibly she was having a foul day or she was stressed, and I might completely perceive that now after I was ready to take a look at it in another way. However do you discover even simply individuals with the ability to pinpoint and know that why is a giant step?
Marisa: It’s an enormous step as a result of if you’re little, , right here’s the reality for any baby, if you’re a bit of child, one factor, in case your mother and father such as you, you’ll survive. It doesn’t matter if you happen to’re a child kitten, a child pet, or a child human, we perceive innately that if my mother and father love me, I’m gonna make it. And so when our mother and father get offended with us and shout at us and scream at us as a result of they’re having their very own points, we all the time assume it’s our fault as a result of we should idealize the people who we consider our survival relies on.
So when mother screams at you, dad flounces off, dad leaves mother, no matter is occurring, a toddler can’t work out, “Oh, you see, my dad’s an alcoholic. My mother’s received melancholy. My mother and father ought to by no means have by no means gotten married.” All a toddler can assume is, “Oh, they don’t love me as a result of I’m not sufficient.” As a result of it’s safer responsible your self than responsible the individual that your survival relies on. In order that makes excellent sense. The issue is that we by no means get to a stage the place we predict, “Oh, proper, let me return now and reset that as a result of I all the time thought it was my fault my mother was sad. Now I perceive my mother made very unhealthy selections. She was a little bit of a sufferer and it wasn’t my fault.”
We don’t have a reset button to press so we undergo life believing what it have to be. If my mother was sad and he or she didn’t love me, who’s gonna love me? You already know, I noticed that with Princess Diana so much as a result of her personal mom left when she was little and didn’t come again. She all the time believed, “Effectively, if she didn’t love me, who might love me?” That was very a lot the identical factor with Marilyn Monroe. You see if you happen to take a look at Whitney Houston, or Amy Winehouse, or Heath Ledger, and even Michael Jackson, or George Michael, at any time when the kid has to carry out to get the dad or mum’s reward, or has to realize, has to work for love, they are going to consider, “Oh, no, I don’t get love. I’ve to work actually arduous to earn it, and at any time will probably be taken away,” and so they typically go into self-sabotage due to this perception, “I’m not lovable the best way I’m. I’m lovable if I look excellent, act excellent, produce one thing excellent.”
Katie: Wow. That makes a lot sense. So, how can we, as mother and father, assist youngsters to not internalize that or to not really feel like they’re unfit of affection? As a result of definitely there are occasions there’s going to be individuals who have separations or divorce or who undergo robust instances and their youngsters are gonna must undergo these issues too. Are there methods to assist youngsters?
Marisa: Yeah. Good query. That is so good for folks. So one of the best factor is to personal it. You already know, all mother and father, definitely me, I imply, I tousled many, many instances. You already know, I used to be a single dad or mum with my very own points, after all, I shouted at my baby and mentioned issues I ought to by no means have mentioned that I’ll all the time remorse. But it surely’s very arduous to be an ideal dad or mum. All you are able to do along with your youngsters is exit and say, “You already know what, darling? Mommy was not very good as we speak. Mommy loves you. Mommy’s…That was not your fault. In the present day mommy was cranky. In the present day mommy had loads of worries and I shouldn’t have made you the butt of that.” They usually do perceive that. I used to say to my little woman, “You already know, darling, as we speak mommy had her interval and he or she was a bit ratty.” And in the future she mentioned, “Mommy, I feel my trainer had her interval as we speak as a result of she was not very form.”
So she had all of it labored out in her head as a result of I might all the time apologize, “That was my fault. I shouldn’t have accomplished that. I shouldn’t have reacted like that.” I could have…She mentioned to me, she goes “Mommy, it doesn’t really feel such as you love me if you communicate to me in that nasty voice.” As a result of I used to be saying, “Come on, hurry. I really like you however you’ve gotta hurry up.” They usually’re not foolish youngsters however they don’t anticipate you to be excellent, they simply anticipate you to not put it on them to say, “That was my fault. You already know, I’ve no proper to shout at you as we’re working by the airport or working for the bus, or the whole lot went improper, I dropped the dinner, or I burned it, I smashed one thing, I shouldn’t flip round and scream at you as a result of that wasn’t your fault. And even when it was, , you’re only a child if you happen to broke one thing.” I imply, they try this. They get nail varnish in your carpet and do all types of stuff you favor them to not do.
However so long as you possibly can personal it and say, “I didn’t deal with it very properly as we speak. I’m actually sorry,” they like that as a result of it permits them to grasp that different individuals received’t deal with it. The trainer might have a foul day, the pal…And, after all, youngsters take it out on one another too. They’re not averse to some child picks up their toy truck, smacking them across the head with it. In order that they do perceive that it isn’t all excellent Pollyanna. However apologizing to your baby, proudly owning and saying, “You didn’t deserve that. I used to be out of line. I shouldn’t have accomplished that,” that makes them cease blaming themselves, which is the large factor you wish to wire into youngsters. That was my fault.
You see, even youngsters who get abused, that’s the heartbreaking factor, most pedophiles say to a toddler, “You wished that. You already know, if you had been working round in your bikini or sashaying round in your nightie,” otherwise you’re so fairly, otherwise you’re so cute, you wished that.” They usually don’t perceive tips on how to say, “No, I didn’t,” as a result of it’s very simple to make a toddler consider it’s their fault. And so it’s important to give your youngsters to go, “No, it’s not my fault. I didn’t trigger that. I’m to not blame.” And likewise, when you possibly can go to your baby and say, “You already know, as we speak, daddy was actually out of line and I behaved like a toddler. I misplaced my mood. I used to be a toddler. You had been smarter than me as we speak.” What that does is it permits them to go and say, “Mommy, I misplaced it, I acted out. I did one thing actually improper as we speak,” since you’ve allowed them to see that they don’t must be excellent and also you’re not, then they will come to you and say…
My daughter got here house in the future when she’s about 13 and mentioned, “Mommy, I spoke terribly to my pal’s brother. He stole all these baseball hats in a store and he gave me one and I didn’t need it. I didn’t know what to do.” And I say, “Effectively, that’s good that you simply advised me.” And I’d all the time say, “You’ll by no means get punished for telling the reality ever, even if you happen to do one thing actually improper.” And I mentioned, “You already know that feeling in your tummy, that’s a sense that it’s not good and also you simply must say to him, “No, thanks.”
Or, , if he’s 15, you’re 11, and you are feeling embarrassed, then, , if you get house, you probably did the precise factor, you mentioned to mother, “I don’t need this baseball hat. I felt actually unhealthy accepting it.” So the extra you possibly can enable them to see that they don’t must be excellent comes from you proudly owning your errors and never attempting to be excellent. And the worst factor is when mother and father say, “Don’t you reply again. Don’t you will have an opinion. Don’t shout. Don’t cry. I’ll offer you one thing to cry about.” That’s very complicated for a kid. You get offended once they’re offended. They usually get punished for being offended, however you’re allowed to be offended. In order that’s actually complicated for them. And allow them to have an opinion as a result of once they get to 14 or 15, , you need your youngsters to have the ability to have an opinion in opposition to a bully or anyone who’s gonna pressurize them to have intercourse or drink or smoke. However if you happen to by no means allow them to have an opinion with you, then how are they ever going to do this? You’re the primary individual they’re going to study to debate and argue with.
Katie: That’s such an important level. It’s one I’ve positively not accomplished completely, however I’ve tried to do. My oldest is now 14. And even from the time he was little, I might encourage them to ask questions. And I bear in mind when he was actually little, possibly like 3, I mentioned, “You already know, all the time ask questions if you happen to’re curious. And if you happen to don’t perceive one thing or one thing doesn’t make sense, all the time query it.” And he mentioned, “Even you?” And I mentioned, “Even and particularly me as a result of I’m right here that can assist you study.” However I feel you’re proper, so typically that will get suppressed with youngsters. And it’s been superb to look at him now, largely, regardless that he’s 14, like an grownup at this level, and the way accountable he’s and to see our relationship shift. And like I mentioned, I don’t assume I’ve accomplished it completely by any means however that’s one thing I’m glad I did from a really younger age with them.
And one other factor I’ve tried to all the time say to them every single day, I’ve six youngsters, so I say it so much however that, “I really like you unconditionally. There’s nothing you possibly can ever do to cut back that and there’s nothing you possibly can ever do or must do to extend that both.” As a result of I really feel like I didn’t get that second half very a lot as a child. I knew that my mother and father beloved me however I all the time felt like I needed to earn approval or that it was tied to my achievements. And I wished to, hopefully, assist my youngsters know that they by no means needed to earn that, that it will all the time be there.
Marisa: And it’s such an exquisite factor as a result of, , so many adults have this perception, I must earn love. I must work for love. I must chase love. I must be actually good. I must have issues snipped off or injected in and I must, , add stuff to myself. And that simply isn’t true. Love is simply there and also you don’t must earn it, work for it, or run after it. And so saying to a toddler, “You already know, I really like you and also you don’t ever must earn my love and there’s nothing you possibly can do to make me love you extra and there’s nothing you are able to do to make me love you much less. For those who mess up, , I received’t be happy however I’ll be there.”
As a result of, , some mother and father say to their youngsters, “For those who get pregnant, don’t ever come house. For those who take medicine, you’re out of this home.” They usually say it to scare them however think about in case your baby of 14 takes medicine and feels they will by no means come house, then the place do you assume they’re going to go? It’s a lot better so that you can say, “I don’t need you to take medicine, I don’t need you to get pregnant, however no matter is occurring, you’ll by no means get punished for telling the reality.” And I bear in mind my little woman when she was little mentioned, “Mommy, I’ve received inexperienced nail varnish all around the carpet and I do know you received’t punish me as a result of I simply advised you the reality.” And I mentioned, “Effectively, I’m very upset you probably did that, however I received’t.” And she or he mentioned, “Mommy, it’s such a aid. I’ve been so scared to inform you.” However I knew in that second it was a check. Ought to I get actually offended or shall I do…?
I gave her my phrase, you’ll by no means be punished for telling the reality. And, , all youngsters do loopy issues. And you may’t all the time cease them, however you will be there to mop them up. And, , I had my daughter’s buddies turning up at my home, having been thrown out of their very own home as a result of their mom discovered contraception of their bag or in a single case the morning after tablet. And it’s important to be a protected place to your youngsters once they’re going by tough instances as a result of the very last thing you need is them to go to another person’s home as a result of they will’t speak to you.
Katie: Yeah, that’s such a great level. We’ve type of turn into that place for lots of my youngsters’ buddies as properly and I’m so grateful to be that place. I’d all the time mentioned once they had been younger, I hope to be the place the place all the youngsters really feel comfy coming to hang around and that additionally they really feel like they will speak to me. But it surely does make me unhappy as properly when youngsters will speak to me, however not their very own mother and father. And I all the time attempt to encourage them to open the traces of communication with their mother and father.
Marisa: After all. And so a lot of them are simply so frightened of being judged. I imply, , I work with infertility so much and I all the time take individuals again to why they will’t conceive. And also you’d be amazed at what number of girls return to this traditional scene, “I’m 15 or 14 and I feel I’m pregnant. My dad will completely kill me. My mother and father will likely be livid. They’ll disown me. They’ll kick me out of the home or they’ll be so upset I’ve allow them to down.” And that doubt they’ve with themselves, “That is the worst factor ever, it is a nightmare, it is a catastrophe, that is disgrace,” that feeling of horror they really feel pondering they’re pregnant turns into the primary block. The thoughts says, “Oh, you don’t wanna have a child.” And 15 years later, once they’re fortunately married to some nice man, the thoughts remains to be performing off this previous perception it will be a nightmare, a catastrophe, the worst factor ever to have a child.
As a result of the thoughts is all the time listening. Each phrase you say is picked up by the thoughts. And unexplained infertility is an enchanting factor as a result of it’s unexplainable. Explainable infertility means, properly, your fallopian tubes are blocked. You haven’t received any eggs, your womb lining is simply too skinny, your husband’s sperm swims backwards and there’s not a lot of it. However unexplained means the whole lot is ideal however you will have some blocking perception. And it all the time typically begins on the first ideas you will have about having a child. Having a child after we’re youngsters or we’re not married and even past that, “Oh, this boy is gonna reject me now. He’ll assume I’ve trapped him. It’s a way of disgrace. I don’t need this at the moment in my life.” As a result of the thoughts is all the time listening and the phrases we kind, a blueprint that we react to fifteen years after the occasion has come and gone.
Katie: Wow. That’s actually drastic. And okay, so that you mentioned the second step is that you simply take away these ache factors otherwise you take away these blocks. Are you able to stroll us by only a excessive degree of how that occurs or the way you try this?
Marisa: Yeah. So, I’ll offer you an excellent instance, I used to be serious about a specific consumer. So I had a specific consumer, who’s an Arabic woman, very good, got here from a really non secular household, the place the daddy’s phrase was the whole lot. And she or he was courting a white boy and thought she was pregnant. And naturally, her mother and father would have simply been horrified. It will have been terrible. And so when she thought she was pregnant, she went into absolute terror, and stress, and anxiousness, and in the long run, organized privately to have a termination they by no means knew about and carried all of the guilt about that. And now, 15 years later, she’s 30-something, she’s received a beautiful husband from the identical Arabic like her, mother and father adore him, adore her, lengthy must be grandparents, however she will’t get pregnant due to this reminiscence.
So, the very first thing we do is return, individuals don’t all the time know concerning the second, we return to why? Let’s discover out why you possibly can’t conceive, up comes this reminiscence. And when she describes it, she’s crying, her lip’s trembling. She’s actually feeling the fear, the disgrace, the anxiousness, the stress, the concern, the uncertainty, after which extra disgrace after she has this termination, the concern that once they discover out, they’ll disown her as a result of she’s not this excellent little woman that they assume she is. And now, we go to fifteen years later the place she’s received a beautiful husband and her mother and father will likely be working up and down the ward elated once they know she’s having a child. Will probably be their much-wanted grandson or grandchild.
So, to separate it, I make my consumer say, “That’s not me. That woman of 15 who’s crying and going as much as London to have a secret termination and has received secret papers, that’s not me. If I say to my mother and father, ‘Oh, I’m pregnant,’ they are going to be crying with happiness, it’s all they need.” So it’s the flexibility simply separate then from now. Sure, when that was me, I used to be 15 and I did some foolish issues however I had solely been on the planet for 15 years. I didn’t know then what I do know now. I used to be performing with a life expertise of a 15-year-old, very completely different to a 32-year-old. It’s not me. So, it’s important to take a look at the scene then and the scene now and see the distinction as a result of most individuals take a look at the scene and so they see the comparability. You see, I wasn’t beloved after I was 2 and right here I’m, I’m 32 and I nonetheless can’t discover love. Each man I meet dumps me. Every part goes improper.
So, lots of people take a look at the way it’s the identical. I used to be silly in school, I nonetheless really feel silly. I felt ugly in school, I nonetheless really feel ugly. I wasn’t the neatest child and now I’m scared to ask for one thing as a result of I don’t really feel good. And it’s crucial to not take a look at what’s the identical however to take a look at what’s the distinction as a result of that’s one other rule of your thoughts, no matter you search for, yow will discover. So, they must undergo this primary factor, that isn’t me as a result of, and that may’t be me as a result of, and that may by no means be me ever once more as a result of…And as soon as they’ve been capable of actually determine what’s completely different somewhat than what’s the identical, they’re able to go on to the ultimate step, which is convincing the thoughts that in her case, she’s able to have a child, that she’s gonna be a tremendous mom, that the whole lot is ideal. And she or he couldn’t have been a tremendous mom at 15 however she will be a tremendous mom as we speak. So, it’s what’s completely different, making sense of it, after which turning into freed from it. And all of these issues are, type of, equally necessary.
Katie: How does an individual begin to go about that? Like, you name it coding, giving a brand new software program. I additionally consider this in relation to the sooner query of programming our youngsters, hopefully, in a great way, and also you’ve given some nice ideas for that. However as soon as an individual acknowledges the issue and so they know what the ache level is to take away, what does that appear to be to rewire or recode the mind and the way lengthy does that course of take?
Marisa: I imply, it may be nearly speedy. The one purpose I name it coding is individuals…, we stay in a…We use the phrase, like, hacks, and you possibly can name it one thing else, like having a conditioning recording. I’ve received a hypnotic conditioning audio to play. However you see, in case your pc has a bug, that the pc has slowed down. After which if you take it to someplace, they take out the bug, they put in your software program, they improve it actually, after which it really works completely. And somewhat like a pc, we get bugs in our pondering that sluggish us down, dim our potential, dim our gentle. And similar to one of the best software program individual, we simply must take these bugs out and improve our personal pondering.
And so, upgrading your pondering actually works like this. You could take a look at the ideas you assume. For instance, “I don’t really feel adequate. I don’t really feel necessary sufficient. I feel I don’t matter.” The place does that come from? Indisputably, a bit of baby. Effectively, why did you assume these ideas? Effectively, as a result of my mother mentioned she wished a boy and I used to be the third woman or she didn’t actually wish to have a child or, , my dad left her and it ruined her life. And so, I assumed these beliefs that I didn’t matter however I used to be 4 years previous, I got here to conclusions after I’d been on the planet for 4 years. And that’s okay as a result of any child at 4 would have thought what I assumed however now I’m 44, it is going to by no means once more be related or needed, applicable. It wouldn’t even be attention-grabbing to assume what I assumed after I was 4. In order that’s the way you begin to change the software program. You say, “I assumed that after I was 4…”
It’s a bit like if I went to the shop with my mom after I was 4 and I received misplaced within the store, I most likely would have moist my pants and cried. However at 32, I’d sit down and watch for her to web page me or I’d name her on the cell. You already know, I’ve by no means misplaced my daughter in an airport however I bear in mind being in an airport, humorous sufficient it was in Florida, and I see this little boy within the aircraft, and he walked previous me on his personal, and I grabbed his hand and mentioned, “Stick with me.” And about 5 minutes, this mother got here working across the nook hysterical, and he or she acknowledged, she mentioned “Thanks a lot for holding onto him.” And for her it was terror. However think about 20 years cross and he or she’s on the airport with that little boy of two and he or she loses him, she’s not gonna cry or run across the airport hysterical. So she’s gonna web page him or name him or say, “Effectively, I’ll simply go to the gate as a result of he is aware of which aircraft we’re getting so I’m positive he’ll make his personal option to the gate,” which they do.
So, the idea that if you happen to misplaced your mom at 17 and also you cry hysterically, similar to you’d at 2, is one thing no person would do. And also you simply inform these tales to acknowledge that the way you behave at 2 is known as age-appropriate. It’s the top of the world when your mother shouts at you or screams at you. And I bear in mind popping out of the shop not way back and I noticed one thing, I actually hate to see this however I’ve seen it a bit of bit, which is a mom pretending to depart her child within the automobile park and drive off with out him. To start with, it was so harmful as a result of she simply drove away and he was screaming. She knew she was coming again however she was taking part in a sport and he had no concept what the foundations of the sport had been, which is I stand on the pavement and cry, you come again, I get within the automobile, and I promise by no means to do this once more.
However I don’t perceive this sport as a result of I’m solely 2, and it’s not a sport to me, “My mother is leaving me eternally as a result of she doesn’t like me as a result of I’m not good.” And so, these are the foundations that we anticipate youngsters to play and so they don’t perceive the foundations. And so, now, all these years later is that this 2-year-old child who was left within the retailer nonetheless has this perception, “Effectively, my spouse will go away if I’m not good. My buddies will go away if I’m not good. I’ve gotta be good on a regular basis as a result of if I’m not good, individuals simply abandon me.”
And in order that’s the distinction that what we really feel after we’re 2, we endure after we’re 32 as a result of we nonetheless don’t fairly perceive the foundations. And that’s why we shouldn’t play video games with different individuals. We must be very trustworthy. By no means threaten to depart a relationship except you actually wish to go away. Don’t go, “Effectively, I’ll stroll out if you happen to try this. I’m leaving if you happen to try this. I’m off if you happen to try this.” As a result of it’s so unfair. You already know, I imply, I really like my husband, he loves me, we have now points, however I might by no means, ever say, “For those who try this, I’m off.” As a result of I’ve seen too many individuals try this to their youngsters and certainly, to their companions, when, , they even pack the case and stroll out of the door once they haven’t any intention of leaving them. However the ache they trigger different individuals who don’t perceive the foundations could be very unfair.
Katie: That’s such a transparent means of explaining it. And particularly with youngsters, I imply, I feel that analogy is ideal and actually, actually necessary. And I additionally assume, like, that is one thing I’ve observed in my life, and I’m most likely nonetheless engaged on, is I for a very long time felt like I wanted to, like, do the whole lot for everybody else on a regular basis and I might exit of my means to assist individuals or to get issues for individuals. And I don’t assume that was inherently a foul factor however I may acknowledge that it largely got here from that concept that I wasn’t lovable or adequate by myself, and in order that I used to be solely valued for what I did for different individuals or my achievements. And so even when the actions themselves had been good, possibly the motivation behind them wasn’t fairly so wholesome.
And I really like that quote that, “No matter you search for, you’ll discover.” And I consider that in {our relationships} or any interplay, I heard it defined one time, , you probably have the concept that you’re not likable, you’re gonna discover proof of that in all your interactions. It is likely to be the best way somebody seems to be at you, whether or not they don’t reply shortly sufficient, or no matter it might be, when actually, the fact of that is likely to be that they’ve one thing else happening, or they’re busy, or it has nothing to do with you in any respect. However after we search for that, we’re gonna discover it. And I assume I, type of, relate that to that we’ve turn into what we take into consideration and the query that we ask ourselves.
Like, for instance of my very own life, when my inner questions was once like, why can’t I drop a few pounds, why is that this so arduous for me, my mind would reply these questions with all the methods I couldn’t drop a few pounds and why it was so arduous. And after I shifted my pondering and stopped asking these questions and began asking higher questions, it turned a lot simpler to do this. Is that, type of, the identical concept as that is like retraining these patterns and questions internally?
Marisa: Your thoughts will reply any query you give it. So, why can’t I discover something? Effectively, as a result of I’ve received a reminiscence like a sieve. It’s a must to ask a unique query. How can I all the time discover the place issues are? So, if you happen to give your thoughts a greater query, what might I do to have the physique I would like? What might I do to have the love I would like or the household life? What might I do? Your thoughts will go forward and discover one thing actual. For those who say why do my relationships all the time go improper, it is going to simply search for one thing random like, “Effectively, you’re not lovable sufficient.” So that you gotta be very clear with the way you…once more, it’s the pc…it’s important to ask your thoughts very, very particular questions.
For those who’re looking on Google, you’re asking a query, , as an illustration, I used to be Google yesterday to see which international locations are actually shutting out the U.Okay. due to this virus. However I used to be getting solutions from Might as a result of I hadn’t put within the date in December. In order that’s a foolish factor. However if you ask a query on Google, if you happen to don’t put in precisely the date you’re in search of the query, you’ll get the precise reply, however from three years in the past. And infrequently we do that, “Oh, , I’ve simply realized this text is old-fashioned.” But it surely’s very a lot the identical factor along with your thoughts if you ask it questions. Be sure it understands the query so clearly.
So right here’s a query, I would like love. Effectively, okay, you need love however would you like it for an hour? Would you like it for a night? Would you like it for the remainder of your life? You gotta be actually clear, what sort of love would you like? You already know, an evening of ardour or one thing completely different? I would like cash. Effectively, how a lot cash would you like and the way do you wish to get that cash? Do you wish to earn it by doing one thing superb that may make you are feeling you’re doing good on the planet, you possibly can earn cash when you sleep, or do you wish to get cash by any means needed? So, our thoughts will all the time reply questions, however we have now to watch out to present it the precise questions that it could actually reply for us as a result of will probably be our ally and our greatest pal. And we’re a lot eager to get what we would like after we ask the thoughts in a way more particular means.
Katie: And you’ve got applications very particular to this. Are you able to speak a bit of bit about that and the way individuals can discover these and know which one which they need to begin with?
Marisa: Positive. Effectively, we have now loads of applications free. For those who go to marisapeer.com, we have now audios on wealth wiring, love wiring. So we have now audios which are designed to find after which dismantle your cash blocks or love blocks or well being blocks or success blocks. So there’s loads of these. They’re all fully free. We don’t ask to your card. You may simply take these. So if you’d like some free stuff that can assist you be one of the best you will be, go to marisapeer.com. If you wish to learn to do RTT, it’s a tremendous remedy. It truly is taking the world by storm. It’s received so many awards. And also you don’t must have any background in remedy to coach with us. If you wish to know tips on how to do what I do, go to rtt.com. Certainly, yow will discover there tips on how to work with somebody like me in your space as a result of we prepare individuals all around the world.
And if you wish to simply actually work on becoming a member of the “I’m Sufficient” motion, figuring out tips on how to put that in your life, we have now fridge magnets, little bracelets, and all types of issues that we give away over on iamenough.com. So iamenough.com, marisapeer.com, rtt.com, take your decide. However do be a part of the “I’m Sufficient” motion, even when it simply means that you’re writing in your fridge in fridge magnets, saying it if you clear your enamel, writing it in your mirror in liner or marker pen. I actually suggest that small assertion will be completely life-changing and is to so many individuals.
Katie: Yeah, and we’ve included that in our home. We’ve been constructing out what I name a tradition wall in our hallway. And it has loads of our household mottos like, “You had been made to do arduous issues,” and, “Happiness is a selection and a talent,” and, “Ask arduous questions,” issues like that. And that’s one which we’re including as properly is, “I’m sufficient,” so the youngsters see it every single day. That’s been a enjoyable undertaking to work on collectively as a household. And I’ll ensure that I hyperlink to the present notes at wellnessmama.fm to all the applications that you simply’ve talked about and to all of these web sites so individuals can discover these and continue to learn from you.
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One other query I’d like to ask towards the top of interviews is, aside from your individual, if there’s a e book or plenty of books which have had a profound influence in your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why?
Marisa: Gosh, so many books. That’s a tough factor to choose. Effectively, and really, I bear in mind after I was a child, I learn “Tess of the d’Urbervilles” by Thomas Hardy. He was my favourite author. And I beloved that as a result of he was describing this woman and he mentioned, “You already know, her eyes will not be blue or brown and her lips are lopsided and wonky. And her imperfections made her excellent.” And I really like “Jane Eyre” as a result of I beloved that quote when she says, “You already know, I’m small and plain however I really feel in love and fervour simply as if I used to be tall and delightful.” And so, I really like quotes from books. And Thomas Hardy wrote about this woman and he mentioned, “She was a bit of extra sinned in opposition to than sinning.” And I assumed that was such an exquisite quote.
However my favourite quote, which comes from a medical physician’s e book is that this, “It’s the sensation that can’t discover its expression in tears and can trigger different organs to weep.” And so I learn his e book, I used to be at Maudsley Hospital, and that was a man known as Henry Maudsley, who was an eminent psychiatrist. And I used to be trying in his diaries, and there was that quote, and that was most likely one of the best e book I’ve ever learn as a result of he simply nailed that in a single with that incredible shifting expression. If all of us might know that, as a result of what he’s saying is one thing and I say to individuals, and I say, “Look, you possibly can select to discuss your self nevertheless you want. It’s free. You may select to be tremendous unfavourable.” Like, you’re saying to your youngsters, happiness is a selection. There’s no terminal you arrive at known as happiness. It’s the journey you’re on every single day.
So you possibly can select to be unfavourable or you possibly can select to be blissful however what you possibly can’t select is what you do to your physique if you’re unfavourable. For those who might look in your physique and see what you do to it if you’re unfavourable, you’d cease pondering unfavourable ideas as a result of they’ve to come back out someplace, and so they come out in bronchial asthma, and eczema, and dermatitis, and nervous habits. And so I really like books, all books that present people who, , your phrase is the whole lot. I say to my purchasers, “If I might say abracadabra and also you inform me what you need, I’m gonna do my best to present you what you need.” After which I found after me saying that phrase for years that abracadabra is Hebrew for “my phrases create,” as I communicate, I create. And I didn’t even know that however I’ve been utilizing that phrase for years and years after which I noticed what I used to be saying.
So I really like all books which have the magic of phrases and quotes. And even Roald Dahl who you all know as a youngsters’s author mentioned, “The factor that makes you lovely is kindness. For those who’re a form individual, you’ll be lovely, and if you happen to’re not form, you received’t be lovely.” And he additionally mentioned, “Solely those that consider in magic get to see it and expertise it.” And I really like that as a result of it’s so true.
Katie: Such lovely quotes. I actually love that one, “The sensation that can’t discover its expression in tears might trigger different organs to weep.” And that speaks to loads of the stuff you talked about on this of how these issues can bodily categorical within the physique and jogs my memory additionally of the e book, “The Physique Retains The Rating” and the way…
Marisa: Oh sure, I really like that e book, “Physique Retains Rating,” and I really like additionally “Emotions Buried Alive By no means Die.” And one other nice e book known as “It’s All in Your Head.”
Katie: I’m writing these down. I’m gonna…The 2 you simply beneficial, these are new to me. I can not wait to learn them. However Marisa, like I mentioned at first, I actually admire the work that you simply’re doing. I feel it’s actually profound and useful. And particularly for girls and many ladies listening, I feel it’s actually gonna be a dramatic, hopefully, assist to them and in addition very useful for me. I really like your recommendation on how we can assist our youngsters and hopefully give them a robust basis with this view of limiting beliefs as doable as they go into maturity. Do you will have any parting recommendation for the listeners as we speak on one of the best beginning place for all of this or somebody who’s possibly recognizing that they’ve a few of these limiting beliefs or they’re scuffling with a few of these issues, one of the best recommendation for getting began?
Marisa: Effectively, I’ve a quite simple e book known as “I Am Sufficient,” I imply, I feel it prices $10. And if you happen to go to iamenough.com, we give away chapters of it. However regardless that I’m selling my very own e book right here, it’s as a result of I wrote that e book as a, type of, handbook to assist anybody who feels not sufficient. I’ve it in faculties, I’ve it in some prisons truly, and loads of mother and father use it. And so, it talks you thru tips on how to go from feeling not sufficient to figuring out with unshakable certainty that you simply’re sufficient. And so, I might actually suggest simply that as a result of it’s really easy and it’s so easy. As a result of there’s that factor, once more, it must be sophisticated. It actually doesn’t change. It may be simple turning into one of the best you possibly can ever hope to be.
I imply, I’m happier now than I’ve ever been in my whole life. And I solely want I’d recognized after I was going by it that it was simple, , the breakups and being kicked out of school and all of the trauma we undergo after we’re discovering our means in life. If solely I’d recognized that change is definitely simple, it doesn’t must be painful, or arduous or unhappy, or it doesn’t even must be a wrestle, however we’re advised, life is wrestle, life is tough, life is difficult. And I typically surprise why we inform people who when it doesn’t even must be true.
Katie: I feel that’s an ideal place to wrap up. However like I mentioned, I’ll make it possible for all the hyperlinks you talked about are within the present notes at wellnessmama.fm so individuals can proceed to study from you. And I’m so grateful to your time as we speak and for all of the work that you simply’re doing. Thanks for being right here and for sharing.
Marisa: Effectively, thanks. And I’ve to say, six youngsters, I simply take my hat off. I’m simply attempting to think about how you’d match that into your life. I envy people who have gotten numerous youngsters. I’m positive you do it fantastically however that’s a tremendous job that you simply’re doing too.
Katie: Oh, thanks. And because of all of you as all the time for listening, for sharing your most dear useful resource, your time, with each of us as we speak. We’re so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama Podcast.”
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